TRANSPOSITION Chart - MAJOR KEYS

[Gnarly He Man]

I'm not always sure when I push the slide either blowing or drawing whether I' ll get the note that's in my head, especially because of the built in redundant"Cs" which change the air direction. 

Which is why I recommend bebop tuning.
No change in air direction, all draw notes are higher than blow notes.
You also get a Bb "given", a bonus for playing in flat (or extremely sharp) keys.
And of course, no C notes on adjacent blow holes.
Gary

[henrymouni]

Thank you Henry,
This is precisely why I joined the forum community recently.  I am an ear player, and decided to dust off my old Hohner 270 and learn the other keys.  It helps to see the layout as a relationship, even though I don't read as I play.  My mouth's "memory muscles" are getting a workout, and I stumble a lot because I'm not always sure when I push the slide either blowing or drawing whether I' ll get the note that's in my head, especially because of the built in redundant"Cs" which change the air direction.  I know it takes hundreds of times playing each scale, as well as taking familiar tunes through their key paces.  If you have any other "ear player hints" for getting more key fluency I would love to hear them.  Doug P (from the woodshed)

Warm welcome Doug!
I can only go by my own experience and agree that the constant repetition of playing the Major and Natural Minor
keys sets the patterns in your head.
I am an ear player and I think that playing the scales helped in this area also.
It improved my 'ear', but I am a long way from playing tunes in all keys by ear.
Playing different tunes, from music or tabs, in different keys helps also.
It takes time, but with your musical experience, it should be easier and quicker!
I have small harps too, and they are solo tuned in the different keys.
The problem with playing by ear is  you do not think about the notes you are playing.
Well I don't.
When I play scales from memory I think of the different sound pattern each scale has,
almost like a tune in itself.
It is hard to explain, as is ear playing itself. It just happens.
There is not real substitute for time I suppose.
When I hear a tune I do not know what key it is in but I can sing along with it.
Trying to do the same with my harmonica takes a bit of trial and error,
but I hope one day to just pick it up and play straight away. Dream on!!
If you have a look in the 'Chromatic tab' section you will see tunes in many different keys.
Some keys are a bit of a pain, but most are OK.
With the small harp, you would have them in the different keys, which is great!!
You will have no trouble Doug!!




Henry.

[Doug P]

Gary,
Thanks.  I don't know about Bebop tuning.  Where can I hear or see the layout to see what the difference is?  I'll do a search for it.   Also, thanks to Henry.  I don't know if you people do this, but I seem to have my chrome with me all the time I'm logged in, and as I trip around these threads, I often pick it up and test whatever notes or hints pop into my mind.  Wonderful way to spend this Sunday afternoon.  Doug P

[Gnarly He Man]

http://www.overblow.com/?menuid=26&type=chrom#
Bebop is 4.1
Gary

[wolfman]

  No UFO'S,Henry.
Have seen Allians.

   Roman
PS I am one

[henrymouni]

  No UFO'S,Henry.
Have seen Allians.

   Roman
PS I am one

Romulan?

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan


Henry.

[wolfman]

   Very clever Henry, but close.No i'm a croatian ,from the Roman Empire.

[henrymouni]

   Very clever Henry, but close.No i'm a croatian ,from the Roman Empire.

That is close enough!!

Take care of yourself,

Henry.

[Bluesy]

The very sight of written music seems to spook ear-players, and I think it is that rather then the actual "difficulty" of learning it that deters players from learning to read music. They seem to give up before they even try, thinking, I guess, that it is so difficult and beyond them that they shouldn't even try.
In actual fact, for harmonica players, it is so much easier than struggling with guessing for the rest of our lives that I wonder why more people don't go for it.
The treble staff - which is essentially the only one that harp players have to deal with - has five lousy lines and four spaces. Plus two or three ledger lines above and below the staff. (WOW!)
Can you drive a car? Read the Wall Street Journal? Enjoy a novel? If so, you can learn to read music in about two days, so there can be no excuses about "being too busy", or "not wanting to waste time when I could be playing the harmonica", or "I'm too old now, anyway". Excuses like those are just that.
Do you know the names of the notes on the harmonica holes?
Here's what to do.
Hold your beloved harmonica in your hand, get out the jazz sheet for a simple song that you love and know the lyrics of, (jazz sheets have the melody line, the chord symbols and hopefully the lyrics) and while looking at where the notes on the melody line are going in relation to the lyrics, slowly sing the melody. After it seems to make sense - "Summer time, when the living is easy . . . ", try the same notes on your axe, studying the melody line and trying to relate it to the holes you're playing. Okay, I know, you already know the song so you won't actually be reading it. But you can analyze that relationship, can't you?
I'm not asking you to play "Flight of the Bumblebee", after all. After a day or two I'm betting that you will be able to pick up a ballad you don't know and read your way through it on the harmonica.

It is well known in jazz that Chet Baker was a poor reader. The story goes that he and Jerry Mulligan were preparing to record something, and Chet complained that he didn't know the chords.
Mulligan said, "You know the chords very well - you just don't know their names!"

I'm suggesting that you connect what you already know with a line of written music, repeated until you see the relationship between the notes on the staff with the holes on your axe and you will be on your way to a richer, fuller musical life.

God bless!

Tom/bluesy

[triggerfinger]

The very sight of written music seems to spook ear-players, and I think it is that rather then the actual "difficulty" of learning it that deters players from learning to read music. They seem to give up before they even try, thinking, I guess, that it is so difficult and beyond them that they shouldn't even try.

Learning to read well is by no means a skill that is "beyond me". Learning to read well is just not high on my musical priorities list and for good reasons. When I have acquired all the other musical harmonica skills that I want then I will learn to read better.

[rusty]

I learned to read music as an adult after years of playing by ear. IMO it is a coordination thing for me between the left and right brain . I may never be totally fluent as those that learned young (sight reading still sucks) but I can say reading music opened up a whole world to me. New styles, playing with others in much more intricate ways, understanding theory, etc. I would recommend that all non music readers learn and all music readers learn to play by ear. It has greatly improved my playing both in a technical way and a musical way to learn to read. There are many great apps available now that make learning easy. On my IPhone I have iReadmusic, Musicopoulos (reading and theory), Music Theory Pro (includes ear training!) as well as iReal b, GarageBand, Metronome and Cleartune (for tuning but helpful in learning what note that particular hole sounds) This is great if you like me buy a chord harmonica and need to figure out the "map" . Basically I can give myself a lesson whenever and wherever I am.

[Bluesy]

On this wonderful, beautiful day-after-Christmas, I will pass along the best advice I ever heard for people who say they "suck" at something, in this instance reading music, and that is the advice I heard someone receive who was trying to learn how to ride a unicycle; "Do it more."
Really complicated, eh?

Merry Christmas!
Happy Chanakkuh!
Happy New Year!
(Did I miss any?)

Tom/

[Jimmy Halfnote]

That is a throw away cliche Tom, that boils down to meaning nothing, the same applies to mending and tuning a harmonica, or playing it really well, ' just do it more often'. There has to be a 'will' to do it, that is the stumbling block, plus the TIME. I would not underestimate how long it would take, nor the commitment, to go from being a non reader, to an excellent reader , making it sound like falling off a log is not the encouragement it may seem. There is no point in being a bad reader (like me), it is an exact science, and in my opinion exacting, it can be a strain for those with waning eyesight, and over the centuries has accumulated many   styles, abbreviations and 'new' methods.The history alone is a study.
     Some folks may be just as content and happy , spending their precious time PLAYING. Good luck to everybody.
                                                                          jh.

[rusty]

I know from my own efforts how much effort it takes. I suggest that being an excellent reader is not needed to reap benefits from reading. I was 40 years old, needed to get glasses just for reading music. In my case reading and playing well at the same time was an issue that needed time to resolve. Even then i could quickly learn new pieces. That said Paul McCartney who does not read has said he has no interest in learning. We all have different goals and time is limited.

[henrymouni]

I was visiting my sister on Boxing day, and met a lovely music teacher, who teaches at a school and plays violin with an orchestra, from time to time.
She also plays piano and recorder.
She learnt to read music as a child and it is second nature for her to play and read with ease.
However, she finds it very difficult to play by ear and to improvise, and believes it is because she/her mind is too reliant on sheet music.
You would have thought that, as she is steeped in music, she would be a great ear player. Not so!
She can't get her head around jazz!!


Henry.

[Grizzly]

I read with ease, play by ear, but don't improvise very well. We learn at different levels and accomplishments, having to do with talent and exposure.

Tom

[rusty]

Up intill the 19th century improvising was part of *classical music. Still done in some circles of pipe organ players. It is wonderful to listen to if done well. The violinist Andrew Maze is well known for his current "Baroque" improvisations. Bach was a well known improviser (he's dead now BTW)

*classical in the general meaning

Any possibility of getting tabs for arpeggios?
could be helpful for lots of non readers

[Bluesy]

That is a throw away cliche Tom, that boils down to meaning nothing, the same applies to mending and tuning a harmonica, or playing it really well, ' just do it more often'. There has to be a 'will' to do it, that is the stumbling block, plus the TIME. I would not underestimate how long it would take, nor the commitment, to go from being a non reader, to an excellent reader , making it sound like falling off a log is not the encouragement it may seem. There is no point in being a bad reader (like me), it is an exact science, and in my opinion exacting, it can be a strain for those with waning eyesight, and over the centuries has accumulated many   styles, abbreviations and 'new' methods.The history alone is a study.
     Some folks may be just as content and happy , spending their precious time PLAYING. Good luck to everybody.
                                                                          jh.

I noticed that henrymouni added a post to this thread today, April 25th, 2012, so I think I'll talk to my friend Jimmy.
You're right, Jimmy. Some things will never respond to "do it more", but some things are not everything. And it surely doesn't "boil down to meaning nothing"! Per esempio, if they sat you down in the pilot's seat on the space shuttle and said, "Do it until you're good at it!", I don't think you'd return from your first lift-off.  In the music-reading endeavor too, I am not suggesting that you try to learn to read Scriaben or Czerny. All most of us will be reading is pop tunes - probably the easiest segment of the musical universe. And I'm not suggesting that we give up everything else to do it - what's wrong with devoting ten or fifteen minutes a day to going over the sheet music of that very tune you're working on by ear?
Being content and happy is fine, but lucky for mankind, man is not designed nor destined to spend his life chewing his cud. Responding to challenge makes our time here all the more precious. All the more exciting. All the more vital.
Just fifteen minutes, Jimmy.
"Summertime . . . . when the livin' is easeeee . . . ."  E, C, E . . . . D, C, D, E, C, A, Eeeee.
You'll sleep better.

Best, as always,

Tom/

[Jimmy Halfnote]

.You cunning man Tom of the Bluesy, you guessed i was in Spain working with an eight inch net-book /dodgy wi-fi, and disadvantaged, ( and sleepless). Sound stuff , worth reading , touche .

                                                                                                                jh.

[Gnarly He Man]

Transcribing (as Henry has done) is the best thing for reading.
Staff beats tab, but tab has some really advantages for some things.

[Bluesy]

Transcribing (as Henry has done) is the best thing for reading.
Staff beats tab, but tab has some really advantages for some things.

Why does everything have to be a competition?

[Gnarly He Man]

In this case, because staff has rhythm notation--in other cases, because we are human.
I am competing with myself--I'm starting to get an edge on me . . .

[henrymouni]

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