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Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« on: June 02, 2017, 10:22:07 AM »
I've just been reading back to 2015, & I see that there seems to be quite a few people with solo tuned diatonics.

As there are 'Fan Clubs' in the chromatic area, I thought I'd start one here for Solo Tuned Diatonics.  ;D

So lets see if we can keep this one going, anything to do with solo tuned diatonic is welcome, even just chit chat. :)

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I'll start by mentioning that I am mainly learning my chromatics, but I was using a Seydel Orchestra S Low C to get used to solo tuning before hand, & that I have just put on order a Seydel Fanfare-S Solo Tuned Tremolo in C, which I am looking forward to receiving in about a weeks time.

(Should my HAS need fulfiling again, there are always the 'Samplers'. ;) )
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Re: Solo Tuned Fan Club
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 11:27:39 AM »
I'm a solo system diatonic harmonica fan.
Here are some facts about the solo system
harmonicas. I'm not an employee of any
harmonica maker, seller or distributor.

1. "Solo-Tuning" is a mis-labeling by the makers. It's
not a tuning system. It's a reed placement system.

2. The solo system of reed placement for harmonicas
was patented in 1907, by William Benjamin Yates,
of Alviso, California, USA; USA Patent #863,960.
His patent was for a 12-hole single-reed per note,
diatonic harmonica; 3-8va range.

2. Since then, it's become the standard reed placement
system for slide chromatic harmonicas, and is used
on some tremolo diatonic harps, and a few single reed
diatonics.

3. It's usually sold only in the key of C for single reed diatonics.

4. It's the easiest reed placement system to learn for new harp
players (that's an opinion).

5. the makers of solo system diatonic harmonicas. These descriptions
are from product catalogs at least 7-8 years old. There may be changes
in the product descriptions and materials today:

    Hohner Marine Band #364-S "Solo-Tuned". A 12-hole diatonic;
    pearwood comb; nails on the reed plates; 5.25 inches long.
    24 reeds; Key of C only; vinyl snap case; 3-8va range.
    OPINION: Excellent harp, most durable, great tone, loud.
   
    Hering #8024 Master Solo. A 12-hole diatonic; 24 reeds; plastic
    comb; valved reeds ( holes 1-5); screws on the reed plates; 4.5 in.;
    hard plastic case; Key of C; 3-8va range.
    OPINION: Well-made, excellent tone. Best case of the 3 models.

    Huang #115 Cadet Soloist. A 12-hole diatonic; 24 reeds; plastic comb;
    screws to the reed plates;  length unknown, estimated 5 inches; key of C;
    cardboard box. The least expensive of the 3 brands; 3-8va range.
    OPINION: very good tone, well-made, "cheezy" cardboard box.

There may be other solo system diatonics from other companies.
 
The Tombo #1122 Single is a 22-hole single reed diatonic; 22 reeds;
plastic comb; screws to the reed plates; about 7 inches long; plastic
"telescope"-type case. Made for pre-study of the Tombo Unica Formal
slide chromatic. OPINION: excellent tone, long in the hands, the small
chambers and 22-hole setup are slow studies.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 11:47:10 AM »
I've just been reading back to 2015, & I see that there seems to be quite a few people with solo tuned diatonics.

As there are 'Fan Clubs' in the chromatic area, I thought I'd start one here for Solo Tuned Diatonics.  ;D

So lets see if we can keep this one going, anything to do with solo tuned diatonic is welcome, even just chit chat. :)

############
I'll start by mentioning that I am mainly learning my chromatics, but I was using a Seydel Orchestra S Low C to get used to solo tuning before hand, & that I have just put on order a Seydel Fanfare-S Solo Tuned Tremolo in C, which I am looking forward to receiving in about a weeks time.

(Should my HAS need fulfiling again, there are always the 'Samplers'. ;) )

I use a solo tuned SP20 with turbolids and the second C at Bflat. Lots of songs can be played on it.
Pete     :-)

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 01:30:21 PM »
I've just been reading back to 2015, & I see that there seems to be quite a few people with solo tuned diatonics.

As there are 'Fan Clubs' in the chromatic area, I thought I'd start one here for Solo Tuned Diatonics.  ;D

So lets see if we can keep this one going, anything to do with solo tuned diatonic is welcome, even just chit chat. :)

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I'll start by mentioning that I am mainly learning my chromatics, but I was using a Seydel Orchestra S Low C to get used to solo tuning before hand, & that I have just put on order a Seydel Fanfare-S Solo Tuned Tremolo in C, which I am looking forward to receiving in about a weeks time.

(Should my HAS need fulfiling again, there are always the 'Samplers'. ;) )


I'm also a 'Sampler' and 'Orchestra S Low C' lover.  I've had them awhile but am just coming out of the closet.  ;)
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 02:54:44 PM »
my only experience is with the hohner 365.  the very upright slope of the front of the covers (think white cliffs of dover) makes it impossible to get a good purchase on the thing and makes single-noting very difficult.  i'd be interested in a different make and model, though.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 03:29:30 PM »
The Hohner #365 Marine Band is a 14-hole Richter system
diatonic harp. Here is it's note chart:

HOHNER #365 MARINE BAND, NOTE CHART, C HARMONICA:

||C d |E g |G b |C d |E f |G a |b C |d E |f G |a C |b E |d G |f C |a E ||

(large letters are exhale, small letters are inhale reeds)

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 03:48:22 PM »
I haven't played a solo diatonic yet. I have thought about getting one.
Looks the same as the chrom only without the slide. So this would require
learning to bend effectivly to get the sharpe & flats, right?
I'm not real good at bending notes without them sounding off a bit.
If I never played anything that required sharps or flats it should be ok.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 04:50:50 PM »
For anyone thinking about getting one, I think the Seydel Orchestra S is a good place to start, maybe not the cheapest, but it is a nice harmonica.

Yes, if you need accidentals, (sharps & flats), you will need to learn to bend, however for many of the tunes I like, I don't have to.

But, I am informed, tremolos don't bend, so bear that in mind if you are thinking of getting one.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 06:31:23 PM »
Tremolo harmonicas do bend and overblow, if you play only one reed
at a time (one reed plate, tongue or lip block the other reed plate).

The regular tremolo technique is to use both of the same vertically-pitched
reeds, played together, for the tremolo effect.

If you can bend and overblow on a standard Richter 10-hole diatonic,
you can do the same on a Richter tremolo harp.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 06:49:26 PM »
He won't be able to on the Fanfare though.
The chromatic style mouthpiece groups 4 holes behind each mouthpiece hole and they cannot be isolated.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 02:36:53 AM »
I like the idea of a solo tunes harp but they tend to be expensive.  The seydel is about 90 euros (80).   I have altered the tuning on my 10 hole diatonic to achieve a similar effect except that I do not have a low C (I am using a C harmonica) or a double C as in a chromatic.  You can buy a fender diatonic for under 14.  This means you could make 5 solo tuned harps in different keys for the price of one seydel.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 08:36:19 AM »
I don't play with it very often but I like the Solo tuned Seydel Solist Pro 12 Steel. 4 octaves starting with C4

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2017, 10:22:12 AM »
I've just been reading back to 2015, & I see that there seems to be quite a few people with solo tuned diatonics.

As there are 'Fan Clubs' in the chromatic area, I thought I'd start one here for Solo Tuned Diatonics.  ;D

So lets see if we can keep this one going, anything to do with solo tuned diatonic is welcome, even just chit chat. :)

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I'll start by mentioning that I am mainly learning my chromatics, but I was using a Seydel Orchestra S Low C to get used to solo tuning before hand, & that I have just put on order a Seydel Fanfare-S Solo Tuned Tremolo in C, which I am looking forward to receiving in about a weeks time.

(Should my HAS need fulfiling again, there are always the 'Samplers'. ;) )

I use a solo tuned SP20 with turbolids and the second C at Bflat. Lots of songs can be played on it.

I forgot to mention... half valved.
Pete     :-)

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 10:51:00 AM »
I'm always looking for the perfect SUH (Sport Utility Harmonica) for outdoor play. The Seydel Orchestra S seems just about perfect if you're OK with a diatonic instrument that has closer hole spacing that a chromatic. A person could literally take it anywhere in his pocket. (Unless you work in a prison. No metal allowed...)
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2017, 12:09:43 PM »
Just been notified that my Fanfare should be with me some time on Monday.  :D

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2017, 12:43:34 PM »
😊 let us know how you like it.

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2017, 01:16:03 PM »
I'm always looking for the perfect SUH (Sport Utility Harmonica) for outdoor play. The Seydel Orchestra S seems just about perfect if you're OK with a diatonic instrument that has closer hole spacing that a chromatic. A person could literally take it anywhere in his pocket. (Unless you work in a prison. No metal allowed...)

Swan or Easttop valveless are also an excellent pocket harp for taking anywhere, even the South Pole! If you need a SUH in prison pickup a WH 12, the CX12 knockoff.  ;)
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2017, 01:31:03 PM »
.....but......they're chromos........ :o

(Also Seydel Standard. ;) )

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2017, 02:31:57 PM »
.....but......they're chromos........ :o

(Also Seydel Standard. ;) )

Yeah the path always leads back to chromos.  :)
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2017, 03:17:27 PM »
I bought a cheap Huang Cadet solo tuned years ago. Not high quality but have fun with it playing chords blues style. ;D

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2017, 03:32:19 PM »
For anyone thinking about getting one, I think the Seydel Orchestra S is a good place to start, maybe not the cheapest, but it is a nice harmonica.

Yes, if you need accidentals, (sharps & flats), you will need to learn to bend, however for many of the tunes I like, I don't have to.

But, I am informed, tremolos don't bend, so bear that in mind if you are thinking of getting one.
Solo tuned diatonic singles are not really intended to play chromatic scales. It is possible, but very difficult and the tone quality of the bent notes doesn't match that of the "natural" notes. Some notes are much easier to bend than others - draw as opposed to blow. Overblows still only bend down, they are difficult to master. Draw bends (draw or blow) only work in some holes depending on the relationship of the reeds in those holes. I can play one octave and a couple more notes of a chromatic scale on a standard Richter tuned "blues" harp, but it takes a lot of effort and it doesn't sound good.

Solo tuned diatonics are intended to excel at one thing - playing a melody in their home key. Any accidentals in the melody might be a challenge to play seamlessly.
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2017, 03:36:37 PM »
I would get more use out of a solo tuned single harmonica in D for playing Irish Traditional Music. That's what makes Seydel's D/G Session and Brendan Power's diatonic slide harmonicas so interesting.
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2017, 07:03:39 AM »
Fanfare-S just arrived - warmed it up as it was quite cold - feels very easy to play, as in, takes very little air to activate the reeds.

It has a nice pleasing sound, & It will be a nice alternative to my chroms, on some tunes.  :)

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2017, 11:34:47 AM »
I wish the Brendan Power Lucky 13 came in Solo reed arrangement--oh heck with it, tuning.
I would likely bebop it, like my brother Pete.
Oh heck, I wouldn't play it, I have a chromatic--but I have customers for whom I am retuning Lucky 13 harps, and having four holes per octave would be a nice option (normal short harp tuning is three holes per octave with an extra hole for fudge {bet you wondered where they hid the fudge}).

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2017, 12:48:23 PM »
I wish the Brendan Power Lucky 13 came in Solo reed arrangement--oh heck with it, tuning.
I would likely bebop it...


If it's not moving, bebop it!  :)
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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2017, 01:44:46 AM »
I wish the Brendan Power Lucky 13 came in Solo reed arrangement--oh heck with it, tuning.
I would likely bebop it...


If it's not moving, bebop it!  :)
You know, I have tried a lot of altered tunings--check the archives, there's a reason i have so many posts, I have experimented wildly.
But bebop is hardly wild, I even did one for Age and he liked it--no draw notes are changed, and you still have all the notes you are used to playing [except for the duplicate C, and many folks get used to having only two C notes (draw button 4 and blow 5)].

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Re: Solo Tuned diatonic Fan Club
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 09:33:22 PM »
Solo tuned diatonics are a stepping stone to the chromatic. A basic harp to learn on. Richters are better for second position where the bends are more useful.
As for bending a tremolo, I demostrate how that is done in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh2qqt0_PpI&t=13s
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